Posts by Edison Trent

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16.000 JWs rebel against Bethel and GB

by Edison Trent in

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friends

some hot news:.

last weekend was a convention in frankfurt, germany and 11 other locations.

all were connected to the international convention in berlin.. in sum about 94.000 attended.

Edison Trent

Excuse my rare appearance.

A few more info:

1. Yes, these were kingdom songs. Specifically, it was song 99 and 139.

2. In total, 6 talks from Berlin were streamed. Among other things, the baptism talk and the closing talks.

3. At these conventions with delegates from other countries, it is not uncommon for people to sing, dance and make music in the breaks. But all this takes place outside the stadium. This time it was inside the stadium. It was like the folks decided to expand and alter the programm on their own.

Personally, I found it very remarkable that the JW organized themselves within a day to do something Bethel did not like. For a critical thinking JW it is remarkable because bethel (and especially German bethel Selters) want to be in control of every single part of the convention. Sorry, if you do not see it that way and and don't look at it as hot news.

So here is a video from youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvY2f7dLbkI&t=188s

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16.000 JWs rebel against Bethel and GB

by Edison Trent in

jw
friends

some hot news:.

last weekend was a convention in frankfurt, germany and 11 other locations.

all were connected to the international convention in berlin.. in sum about 94.000 attended.

Edison Trent

Some hot news:

Last weekend was a convention in Frankfurt, Germany and 11 other locations. All were connected to the international convention in Berlin.

In sum about 94.000 attended. In Frankfurt were 22.000 attendees, 144 baptised (0.65% growth). About the half came from the 6.000 russian attendees, so it's just 0.5% growth for the germans alone.

After the ending prayer at day 1 (friday) the Russians started a song over the sound system and began to sing it.

This was not approved by bethel, so it was forbidden to repeat it on saturday.

But the German brothers and sisters didn't leave it on that and rebelled against bethel. So they used social media to organize it on their own. On sunday after the ending prayer someone started to play a trumpet in the stadium. All Germans started to sing 2 songs - all without approval from bethel. The convention bureau couldn't do anything against this practism.

I wondered that JW disobeyed so open against bethel. The folks organized it on their own via whatsapp and facebook. It was like a demonstration against the goverment body. And all over 16.000 Germans joined in.

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Reaction to GDPR / field service letter

by sir82 in

here is a thread on the new letter to be read to all congregations in all branches on adjustments in door to door work due to the gdpr:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6274619758608384/2019-boe-elders-letter-may-13-england-ireland-data-protection.

i have...connections....to a foreign language congregation in europe.

Edison Trent

The GDPR affects, what? 10% of the worldwide JW population? 15% tops?

Correct, so that's about 1.5 millions JW.

And if we look what may come in the U.S., soon it will affect around 30% of all JW and especially WHQ: https://www.zdnet.com/article/gdpr-usa-microsoft-says-us-should-match-the-eus-digital-privacy-law/

To order JWs to stop taking notes is a radical step and without a very good reason, it would make lots of JW upset. But this way, when you are forced to change this fundamental things by law, JW will adapt and G.B. can turn it to their advantage.

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Reaction to GDPR / field service letter

by sir82 in

here is a thread on the new letter to be read to all congregations in all branches on adjustments in door to door work due to the gdpr:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6274619758608384/2019-boe-elders-letter-may-13-england-ireland-data-protection.

i have...connections....to a foreign language congregation in europe.

Edison Trent

Sorry, but i don't agree with most of what have been said.

First: I believe it won't reduce the field service but instead it will increase it. Look: As a result of not being allowed to take any note, JW will be at the front doors more often, not less. Instead of trying to reach persons who are not at home and needing months for a territory, they will complete it in 1 day and start with the next one.

Second: Maybe the G.B. will sell this as the new method of going h to h. As a result, JW would ring even more often. But if they still want to take notes, they only would need an online form, where a person can "request" a return visit, like they already have one for requesting bible studies. So they would have a centralized database with all interested persons in it.

Maybe it turns out to be a shot backwards...

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

Edison Trent

I am wondering what they will announce this Saturday at the annual meeting.

Do you expect anything new or interesting this year? If something like the end of the COs happens, this information would come in a letter to all congregations, not at an annual meeting.

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

Edison Trent

Well one way CO’s cost money is health care. That is a “hidden” expense for them and why they ran out many older CO’s ten or so years ago.

All COs that i know have health problems and are ill often.

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

Edison Trent

So the result will be: All these guys get unemployed and the congregations will have to pay a chaplain? May be they create a new fund for COs and their wives and every congregation will have to 'donate' 5$ per publisher.

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

Edison Trent

The car fleet program is paid by the congregations. But living expenses and so on? Many publishers give them money every visit week. I thought they also get some money by bethel.

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

Edison Trent

Sorry for my inaccurate posting. I meant my source already knew that the DOs would be abolished before it was read to the assembly, some years ago.

In Europe, the COs have cars like company cars. All drive the same model and they are paid by bethel. This was meant with the car fleet program.

My friend said he knows COs, which were recently transferred to bethel without explanation. They now work in the legal department etc. He suspects that this is related to the abolition of COs.

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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

by Edison Trent in

a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

Edison Trent

A friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers. They have good connections to bethel.

He told me that the latest rumor from Bethel states that the COs should be abolished in their present form. They have also recently begun to take COs back to bethel.

Over the same channel I have already heard of the car fleet program and that the DOs should be abolished.

Has anyone else already heard of it? I can not really imagine that. This would mean less control over the congregations. And: What is the expense of an CO for the org?